Going vs. Bringing... Is there a major shift in praxis between the two, or is it more of a mindset.

I do think that the Bringing mindset makes for lazy disciples. Any thoughts on that?

ya. I think when we start by looking at eachother, we only look at eachother more. We see others outside, but they're not right infront of us. If we form a circle facing outward we can see people that need help and arent' paralyzed to go. We won't feel like we're ignoring the people in our face, because the people forming the circle with us aren't in our face. [I need a nap, did that make any sense?]

you guys are dead on - and man, weree ther some scathing comments on the odyssey blog!

i've heard others talk about it in these terms: the church has, for years, operated as a cintrepital force: always trying to get people to come to our gig. the goal being "if we can just get them in the door."
as opposed to a cintrifugal force which pushes everything out from the center.

this seems to be much more of a 'Jesus' model. he was always saying "go". not just "take my face to them" but "be me" to them.

we've, somehow, gotten comofortable believing that when people want God they'll find us.